{"id":9370,"date":"2014-02-10T14:55:37","date_gmt":"2014-02-10T18:55:37","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trades.iwopremium.com\/forums\/topic\/income-trade-in-spx\/"},"modified":"2017-11-22T19:13:32","modified_gmt":"2017-11-22T23:13:32","slug":"income-trade-in-spx","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trades.iwopremium.com\/income-trade-in-spx\/","title":{"rendered":"[CLOSED] – Income Trade in SPX"},"content":{"rendered":"

I’m going to take a tiered income trade in SPX.<\/p>\n

Here’s why:<\/p>\n

1. Vol is going to continue to fall out, especially after the yellen stuff tomorrow.<\/p>\n

2. OTM puts are already being sold, which takes iron condors out of the equation.<\/p>\n

3. The Iron fly puts us a little net short, given the rally we have is fine with me.<\/p>\n

Again, this is a tiered structure, so start with 1\/3 of a position with the intent to add.<\/p>\n

Here’s the trade:<\/p>\n

Sell SPX Mar 1800\/1750 Put Spread for 16.00<\/p>\n

Sell SPX Mar 1800\/1850 Call Spread for 20<\/p>\n

\"spx-risk\"<\/a><\/p>\n

We will add another tier on a move to either 1825 or 1770.<\/p>\n

Target profit is 20% of max risk.<\/p>\n


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Update: February 13th, 2014<\/h2>\n

1825 got hit, so I’m going to add to it. Normally I’d look at an at-the-money fly, but I need to reduce upside risk. So I will pick up an 1850 butterfly.<\/p>\n

BUY SPX Mar 1820\/1850\/1870 Call Fly for 9.00 or less.<\/p>\n

\"spx\"<\/p>\n

If we run to 1850 we will add on one more set of flys.<\/p>\n


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Update – February 21st, 2014<\/h2>\n

We’re going to add a broken wing butterfly to get us a little more upside exposure.<\/p>\n

Buy 1850\/1870\/1900 Call butterfly at 2.50<\/p>\n

This will widen out our area of profitability and give us some more upside cushion.<\/p>\n

\"spx\"<\/p>\n


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Update: February 26th, 2014<\/h2>\n

This market feels ready to rip higher, and I am super nervous about the upside risk in these income trades.<\/p>\n

To reduce my deltas (while keeping the long theta intact) I am going to buy some bull call spreads as a hedge:<\/p>\n

Buy Apr 1880\/1900 Bull Call Spread @ 7.00<\/p>\n

This reduces the total delta risk by 50%.<\/p>\n

If we lose 1823 I will close out the hedge for a loss and let the rest of the trade stay on.<\/p>\n

\"spx-after\"<\/p>\n


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Update: March 7th, 2014<\/h2>\n

By picking up that call spread we were able to mitigate some of the upside risk in the position, which was the right call after the easing of Ukraine tensions.<\/p>\n

What we are going to do now:<\/p>\n

1. Sell to close the call spraed hedge
\n2. Buy to open another set of butterflies.
\n3. Roll one of our put spreads higher.<\/p>\n

What happens here is that 1 and 3 help to pay for 2. This will reduce the capital required in the trade, keep our delta low, increase our max reward (at these prices) and decrease our odds.<\/p>\n

Here’s the trades:<\/p>\n

1. Sell to close Apr 1880\/1900 call spreads at 10.00<\/p>\n

2. Buy to open Mar 1870\/1890\/1910 Call butterfly for 5.15<\/p>\n

3a. Buy to close Mar 1800\/1750 Put spread at 1.50
\n3b. Sell to open Mar 1830\/1780 Put Spread at 3.80<\/p>\n

Here’s the new position risk:<\/p>\n

\"spx-risk-4\"<\/p>\n


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Update: March 12th, 2014<\/h2>\n

The pullback and theta has put our trade nearly to breakeven, so we’ve just got to hold on and protect our risk.<\/p>\n

Going to add one more adjustment here to reduce upside risk.<\/p>\n

Buy 2 Mar 1880\/1900\/1920 put butterflys at 4.00 or lower.<\/p>\n

This will cut our current deltas in half, move our breakeven up 5 points, and not really affect our theta gains much.<\/p>\n

\"spx\"<\/p>\n

We will reassess the trade on friday.<\/p>\n


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Update: March 14th, 2014<\/h2>\n

Adding one more fly to this bastard of an income trade:<\/p>\n

Buy 2 Mar 1800\/1820\/1840 Put Butterflies for 2.00 or lower.<\/p>\n

That moves the breakeven down 20 points to reduce risk heading into the weekend.<\/p>\n

I’m going to hold these to expiration and just let them all expire– remember SPX is cash settled so we don’t have to worry about getting assigned stock.<\/p>\n

\"spx\"<\/p>\n


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Update: March 21st, 2014<\/h2>\n

SPX settlement: 1893.<\/p>\n

That puts us here:<\/p>\n

\"spx\"<\/p>\n


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Margin and P\/L<\/h2>\n

Margin Explanation, For 3 Spreads Per Tier.<\/p>\n

Iron Butterfly Trade
\n<\/b>Buy to Open SPX Mar 1750\/1800\/1850 Iron Butterfly
\nThis is a combination of the 1750\/1800 put spread @16.00 and the 1800\/1850 call spread @20.00
\nSpread width: 5000
\nPut spread credit: 1600
\nCall Spread Credit: 2000
\nInitial Margin: 4,200 (3 spreads total)<\/p>\n

Call Butterfly Add<\/strong>
\nBuy to Open SPX Mar 1820\/1850\/1870 Call Fly @9.00
\nMargin: 6900… Upside max risk is cut by 3k<\/p>\n

Broken Wing Butterfly Add<\/strong>
\nBuy to Open SPX Mar 1850\/1870\/1900 @2.50
\nThis closes out the existing 1850\/1870 call spread and opens up the 1870\/1900 bear call spread
\nMargin: 7650<\/strong><\/p>\n

Hedge<\/strong>
\nBuy to Open Apr 1800\/1900 Bull Call Spread @7.00
\nMargin: 9750<\/strong><\/p>\n

Hedge Close<\/strong>
\nSell to Close Apr 1800\/1900 call spread @10.00
\nMargin: 6750<\/strong><\/p>\n

Butterfly Add<\/strong>
\nBuy to Open Mar 1870\/1890\/1910 @5.15
\nMargin: 8295<\/strong><\/p>\n

Put Spread Roll<\/strong>
\nBuy to Close Mar 1800\/1750 Put Spread @1.50
\nSell to Open Mar 1830\/1780 PUt Spread @3.80
\nMargin: 7605<\/strong><\/p>\n

Put Fly Add<\/strong>
\nBuy 2 Mar 1880\/1900\/1920 Put Fly @4.00
\nMargin: 8405<\/strong><\/p>\n

Put Fly Add<\/strong>
\nBuy 2 Mar 1800\/1820\/1840 Fly @2.00
\nMargin: 8805<\/strong><\/p>\n

Max Margin: 9750<\/strong><\/p>\n

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